The Problem of Zombie Minds

So I am finally done teaching summer school and am ready to settle in to my two weeks of ‘vacation’ before the Fall semester begins. Just as I am about to switch on the PS3 I am struck by the following line of argument…let me know what you think of it…

Those who know me know that I am fond of an argumentative strategy that I call ‘deprioritizing’ when it comes to a priori arguments against (or for) materialism. The idea is taken from the police. When something is deprioritized we still recognize it is a legitimate thing but also recognize that it is not a high priority. So if we are deprioritize the a priori arguments we can still acknowledge that in principle we can tell a priori what is what but for us it will be an empirical discovery. By the time a priori methods will be useful it will be too late. I do this by introducing shombies and zoombies. A shombie is a physical duplicate of me that has consciousness in the absence of any non-material properties. I have claimed that when we are conceiving of a shombie world we are NOT conceiving a a zombie world. But how do we know that it is not? I tend to think of the shombie world as the close possible world where some kind of higher-order theory is true and we have consciousness just like we do in the actual worlds.

This got me to thinking. How does the other side know that consciousness is absent at the zombie world? According to them to know that one is consciously seeing red is to be acquainted with a red quale in such a way as to have it partly constituting my belief or judgment. So to know that we have consciousness, or to know that it isn’t lacking at the actual world, requires being acquainted with it. So how do we know that it is lacking at the zombie world? Sure can conceive of a word with our physics at some future date but all we can ‘see’ is that there are beings there who look like us, talk like us, etc. It would seem that we have no way to tell from the third-person whether these ‘zombies’ really do lack consciousness and since that is the only way for us to know about zombies we are led to a contradiction. In order to conceive of zombies we must know that they lack consciousness, but it is impossible for us to know that they lack consciousness, thus zombies are inconceivable. We can sum this up in the following argument.

1. If zombies are ideally conceivable then we can know that they (the zombies) lack consciousness
2. We cannot know that they lack consciousness
3. Therefore zombies are not ideally conceivable

An opponent might respond that it is just stipulated that there is no consciousness at the zombie world but this is exactly the reason why physicalist claim that the zombie argument is question begging or that it builds into the very concept of consciousness that it is non-physical.

Some Thoughts About Color

I just returned from an interdisciplinary workshop on color (More or Less: Varieties of Human Cortical Color Vision). Unfortunately I was not able to attend the conference that followed. Below are a few scattered (jet-lagged) thoughts in reflection of what happened.

The workshop began with presentations by Michael Tye and Alex Bryne on the philosophy of color. Tye went over the basic positions in the metaphysics of color, viz. realism (colors exist on the surfaces of objects), irrealism (colors exist in the mind of the perceiver), and super-duper irrealism (colors do not exist anywhere). The talks were uninteresting if you, like I, were already aware of this stuff and the arguments on each side but it would have been useful (if that is the right word) for, say, a scientist who wasn’t.

During the discussion Tye and various commenters, were arguing about the relative costs and benefits of the various theories. Tye seemed to think that we should opt for the theory with the most benefits and the least costs. Byrne objected and memorably said “the truth has no costs”. If, for instance, color physicalism is true (colors just are physical properties of the surfaces of objects) then there are no costs in accepting that theory. As a group we may not know which theory is true but, he went on, this is compatible with some particular philosopher, or even a scientist I suppose, knowing the truth. I am pretty sure that it was this line of argument which prompted some unnamed scientist to quip that “the philosophers here are arrogant” later that day. But at any rate what are to make of this debacle?

It has always seemed to me to be obvious that realism and irrealism are true in this case. We use color words interchangeably for both properties of surfaces and also for the conscious color experiences we enjoy. So, when someone asks the question ‘what is red, really?’ they are asking a question which is ambiguous. ‘Red’ really is some physical property of a surface if what you are asking is ‘what is the perceptible property red?’ and it really is a property of some conscious experience if we are asking the question ‘what is the perceived property red?’ Each of these deserves to be called ‘the color red’. But, as between the various ways of spelling out the former or latter who knows? Is perceptible red a complex or primitive property? If primitive is it metaphysically primitive or only nomologically? My money is on complex non-primitive because of considerations about science but this is an open question for me.

It seems to me that the main reason for objecting to this common sense way of thinking about the color red is because of theoretical concerns about transparency. If one is convinced that one can *never* become aware of properties of our conscious experience but, instead, are only able to become aware of the properties ‘out there’. I thought that some of the interesting empirical results about synesthesia presented by Noam Sagiv called this into question. Some synesthetes see the color of a given number, say, as being ‘on the number’ (associators) whereas others see the color not on the number but rather as a property of their experience of the number (projectors). Of course, to get subjects to make this distinction took training, and so no one should deny that in teh first instance what we are usually aware of are the properties of objects but with training we can become aware of properties of our experiences. This distinction also nicely illustrates the way that we use color words to apply to both kinds of things (objects and experiences).

Charles Hayward and Robert Kentridge presented interesting data on cerebral achromatopsia, which is color blindness due to cortical damage rather than any deficiency in the eyes or LGN. One of their main points seemed to be to distinguish CA from blindsight for color. So, cerebral achromatopsics are unable to access or use any information about the color of objects. It is not, like blindsight, that they (seem) to lack phenomenology but are able to use the information to make judgements that are mostly accurate. These subjects lack any ability to access color information. Most interestingly there was one patient who had CA but who did not notice the deficit at first. Presumably this person had all of the color phenomenology just vanish and yet he did not seem to notice. Perhaps even more surprising was the fact that it was not until there color vision had been restored that they noticed that it had been gone in the first place!

There is a lot more that happened (like Mel Goodale’s talk which was excellent) but I’ll have to think about that later!

Consciousness Studies in 1000 words (more) or less

The head of the philosophy program at LaGuardia, John Chaffee, is the author of an introductory text book The Philosopher’s Way. The book is entering its fourth edition and John is updating the chapter on the self and consciousness. In particular he is updating the section on Paul Churchland’s eliminative materialism to include a discussion of functionalism. I have been asked to write something that could possibly be included after this discussion and which sums up the the current state of the field, provides a kind of “star map”, and might intrigue an undergraduate to learn more. Tall order! Here is a first draft of what I came up with. Comments and suggestions welcome!
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Contemporary Philosophy of Mind

The philosophical study of the mind in alive and well in the 21st Century. Broadly speaking one might say that there are three over arching concerns in this debate. The first concerns whether consciousness ultimately depends on something computational/functional or whether it depends on something biological. The second concerns whether consciousness is ultimately physical or non-physical, and the third concerns what role empirical results play in philosophical theories of consciousness.

Consider the first question. Some philosophers, like John Searle at U.C. Berkeley and Ned Block at New York University, think that consciousness is distinctly biological. To see what is at issue here we can employ a commonly used thought experiment. Neurons no doubt perform functions. Ask any psychologist or neuroscientist and they will tell you about sodium ions and potassium ions and cell membranes and neurotransmitters, action potentials and the rest. That is, we can think of a neuron as something that takes a certain kind of input (the neurotransmitters from other neurons, ions) and delivers a certain kind of output (an action potential or a graded potential. In principle it seems possible that we could use a nano-machine to mimic a neurons functional profile. This nano-machine would be able to take all of the same input and deliver all of the same output. One might think of it as an artificial neuron in the sense that we have artificial hearts. It is a bit of metal and plastic but it is designed to do the exact same job that the original was meant to do. Suppose now that this nano-machine zaps the neuron and quickly takes its place. Now you have all of your regular neurons and one artificial neuron. But it does everything the original neuron did, so we have no reason to think that this should change you conscious experience overly much. But now we do it with another neuron, and another, and another. The question then, is what happens to consciousness when we replace all of the neurons?

David Chalmers, a philosopher at the Australian National University and New York University, has argued that as a person moves through this process of having their neurons replaced with artificial ones we have a few options. We might say that as their neurons are being replaced their conscious experience is slowly fading like a light on a dimmer switch or we might say that conscious experience was just cut off at some point when some number of neurons were replaced, maybe even the first one! But each of these has a very strange consequence. Suppose that I am having a headache during the hour that my brain is being “fitted” with nanobots. Now suppose that my conscious experience is fading as the process progresses with it being absent at the end. Well, ok, but the first thing to notice is that there can be no difference in your behavior as we go through the process. Each nanobot performs exactly the same function as the neuron, and we can think of the nanobot as instantaneously zapping and replacing the neuron so that you could being driving a car or reading a book while this was happening. But then we end up with the very strange result that we cannot really know that we have conscious experience right now! How do I know that I have a conscious pain? Well, I feel it! But if we were right that it can fade out, or even pop into and out of existence, without me noticing then how do I know it is there in the first place? Chalmers concludes that it is safer to think that the conscious experience would be the same at the end of the process. But if this is right then consciousness depends of functional organization and not on the biology, or non-biology, of the hardware. Those like Searle and Block hold that real neurons with their biological properties are needed in order to have consciousness and that the neural net at the end of the process would no longer be you or have thoughts or pains, but would only simulate those things. Whatever your intuitions are this may not be science fiction for long. Neuroscience is already well along in its investigation of ways to design brain-machine interfaces (for instance as a way of helping amputees with prosthetic limbs that are controlled just like one’s own limbs) and enhancement of the human mind by prosthetic neurology is perhaps not far off.

Notice that in thinking about the question of whether the mind ultimately depends on biological or a functional properties we appealed to a thought experiment. We did not go out and do an actual experiment. We consulted what we intuitively thought about a piece of science fiction. In contemporary philosophy of mind there are those who think that these kinds of intuitions carry great weight and then there are those who think that they do not. Those who think that they carry water think that we can know some deep fact about the nature of consciousness on the basis of reason alone For instance, take Frank Jackson’s Mary thought experiment (Jackson is also a philosopher at the Australian National University). Imagine a brilliant scientist who is locked in a black and white room but who is able to communicate with the outside world via a black and white television screen. Mary is able to learn all of the science that we will ever be able to know. So imagine that she knows the TRUTH about physics, whatever it is. Now suppose that she is released from her room and shown a red ripe tomato. It seems natural to think that she would learn something that she might express by ‘oh, THAT’s what it is like to see red! Everyone out here kept talking about red, but now that I have seen it I know what they mean’. But since she knew all of the physical facts, and yet did not know at least one fact, what it is like for her to see red, it seems like that fact must not be a physical fact. If this and related thought experiments are right then it seems that we do not need empirical evidence of any kind to know that consciousness cannot be physical (note, that David Chalmers talked about above, has advocated this line against physicalism as well. He has introduced philosophical zombies, creatures that are physical duplicates of us but which lack consciousness. If these are possible then consciousness is not a consequence of physics alone).

These arguments, and the knowledge argument of Jackson in particular, have spawned a huge amount of responses. One very natural response is to question the inattention to scientific discoveries. Dan Dennett, a philosopher at Tufts University, argues that this whole strategy is thoroughly misguided. We seem to think that there are these magical conscious properties –the experience of having a pain– that just aren’t there. What is there is the seeming that it is so. Dennett often makes a comparison to magic. Take some professional magician, say David Copperfield. What David Copperfield does is to make it seem as though he has done something else. If you wanted to know how Copperfield performed some trick you would need to explain how he made it the case that it seemed that the statue was gone, or how he made it seem that the person was levitating. You don’t try to show that he really did it but how he made it seem as though he really did. Now is what he does real magic? There is some temptation to say no. Real magic is not just a trick. But sadly, the only magic that is in fact real is the kind that is fake. Dennett thinks the same is true of consciousness. When the functionalist explains what a pain is and someone says that this is not magic enough (Mary wouldn’t know it, or a zombie would lack it), the functionalist should respond that there is no such thing as that kind of magic. What is in fact true is that the brain makes it seem to us as though we have all of this magical stuff going on, but it only seems to be going on. Why think this? Dennett’s main argument is that this has been shown to us by the empirical sciences. Take just one example, the case of so-called change blindness (go online and search for ‘the amazing color changing card trick’ to see a cool example). In these kinds of cases people are presented with a scene where there is a very large central thing that changes. People are usually very bad at spotting the change. Yet when they see the difference they cannot believe that they did not notice it before. That is, from the first-person point of view it really seems as though one has access to a very rich and detailed scene, but actually one is mostly unaware of very large and salient changes in one’s environment. If this is right then our intuitions about science fiction cases may not be that reliable. And this is what Dennett and those like him think.

(cross posted at Brains)

The Myth of Phenomenological Overflow

Update 7/27/11
The paper is now available on Consciousness and Cognition’s website: The Myth Of Phenomenological Overflow
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I have just finished my contribution to the Special Issue of Consciousness and Cognition that I am editing featuring descendants of papers from the second online consciousness conference and made the pre-print available at my PhilPapers profile. Discussion and comments are welcome.

The Myth of Phenomenological Overflow

Abstract:
In this paper I examine the dispute between Hakwan Lau, Ned Block, and David Rosenthal over the extent to which empirical results can help us decide between first-order and higher-order theories of consciousness. What emerges from this is an overall argument to the best explanation against the first-order view of consciousness and the dispelling of the mythological notion of phenomenological overflow that comes with it.

The Conceivability of Shombies

I just noticed that the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry on Zombies was recently updated (authored by Robert Kirk, who’s book I reviewed for phil. psych). I was pleased to see that my JCS paper was mentioned in the “anti-zombie argument for physicalism” section. But Kirk cites my paper as arguing that “we should reject the inference from conceivability to possibility”. It is true that others that have pressed versions of the ‘anti-zombie’ argument for this conclusion, I am not one of them. I want to grant the link between conceivability and possibility. It is true that I harbor empiricist leanings but if I were a rationalist I would find Chalmers’ CP thesis very attractive; but even so the zombie argument is inconclusive because we cannot simply assert that zombies are conceivable.

My complaint against the zombie argument has always been that the move from (1) ‘zombies seem conceivable to me’ to (2) ‘zombies are ideally conceivable’ is question begging. The only thing we really have evidence for is (1) but it is (2) that is actually used in the zombie argument. That this move is illegitimate is shown by the fact that shombies and zoombies seem conceivable to me (and others it turns out) but if I were to then say that they were ideally conceivable I would be accused of begging the question. Both zombies and shombies seem conceivable but only one of them can actually be ideally conceivable and importantly we have no a priori reasons that can decide which is which. Rather what seems to be happening is that one’s intuitions are tracking the theory that one accepts, perhaps implicitly. Thus we don’t know if zombies are ideally conceivable at this point. Nor do we know if shombies are. Both seem to be conceivable to various people but we don’t have enough empirical knowledge of the brain to decide. From this I draw the meta-lesson that we should deprioritize the a priori arguments for and against physicalism. What we need to do now is focus on specific theories of consciousness (like higher-order theories, say 🙂 ) and brain science. Even if we can in principle know a priori that the mind is just the brain, or that it isn’t, the way that we will come to know is empirical (just like water and H2O: even if it is in principle knowable a priori that water is H2O (because on can deduce one set of facts from the other) we discovered it empirically. A priori arguments played no positive role in the discovery).

The Zombie Argument Depends on Phenomenal Transparency

In response to Philip Goff at the OCC David Chalmers has argued that his 2D argument against physicalism is not committed to what Goff called Phenomenal Transparency. PT, to a first approximation, is the claim the having a phenomenal concept allows one to know the true nature of the concept. Opaque concepts do not. Consider the concept of WATER. You can have full mastery of that concept and yet not know that water is H2O. This was the state of everyone prior to the discovery that water was H2O. I have argued that if we take the spirit of the identity theory and transpose it into the 2D framework we get a view that is immune to the zombie argument as this translates into the claim that the primary and secondary intensions for phenomenal concepts come apart. Dave now says that the zombie argument should none the less go through on such a view. It doesn’t depend on phenomenal transparency just like conceiving of Twin Earth doesn’t depend on chemical transparency. In the Two-Dimensional Argument Against Materialism Dace says,

…it is worth noting that (contrary to a common supposition), the assumption that Q has the same primary and secondary intensions is not necessary for the [zombie argument] to go through. To see this, we can consider the version of the argument where we adjoin a “that’s-all” clause to P. From (1) (1) [P&~Q is conceivable] and (2) [If P&~Q is conceivable, then P&~Q is 1-possible], we can derive the conclusion that there is a minimal world verifying P in which the primary intension of Q is false. If P has the same primary and secondary intensions, then this world will be a minimal P-world in which the primary intension of Q is false. This world must differ from our world, because the primary intension of Q is true in our world…It follows that there is a minimal P-world that is not a duplicate of our world, so that physicalism is false of our world. It could be that strictly speaking physicalism will be true of consciousness, because P necessitates Q, but physicalism will be false of properties closely associated with consciousness, namely those associated with the primary intension of Q. We might think of this sort of view as one on which phenomenal properties are physical properties that have non-physical properties as modes of presentation.

But the claim here should be that transparency is required in order for (1) to be true. Consider the case of water and H2O. Since WATER is opaque may have seemed to Aristotle that he could conceive of a world where there was H2O but no water. He might have thought he could conceive of this because WATER is opaque. We cannot tell by either looking at water casually or examining our concept WATER that it is H2O. When a concept is opaque in this way we can conceive of worlds where the primary intension picks out something other than what it does here but we are not licensed to conceive of worlds where the secondary intension isn’t there unless we are in a position to say what the secondary intension of the concept is. Otherwise we would have to admit that Aristotle could conceive of a world physically just like ours without water! So the zombie argument does depend on transparency not as a way to get (2) as Philip suggested but as a way to get (1).

Epiphenomenalism and Russellian Monism

Over at the Online Consciousness Conference, which is now in it’s second week, David Chalmers has advanced an argument that Russellian Monism is not a form of epiphenomenalism, On RM there are phenomenal, or protphenomenal, properties that serve as the categorical bases for the dispositional properties that physics talks about. So on this view mass, charge, spin, etc are the visible face, so to speak, of these fundamental phenomenal, or protophenomenal, properties. The zombie world, then, is one that has the same dispostitions –mass, charge, spin, etc– but lacks the protophenomenal/phenomenal properties that serve as the categorical bases. This can happen in one of two ways. The first is by having a different set of categorical bases that were not related to consciousness, the second by having just the structural properties with no categorical bases. In the first instance the new fundamental properties would take over the causal work that the propphenomenal properties had done before. But just because they are now causing behavior doesn’t show that the protophenomenal properties that are postulated by RM can’t have causal powers. The second possibility seems a bit weird. How can we have disposition properties like mass and charge without any kind of categorical base? But assuming that we can make sense of this idea Dave suggested that we should not hold it against the idea that the categorical bases that these dispositions actually have are causally efficacious. I think I am less sympathetic to this suggestion and would wonder why we should accept it, but someone who like RM could simply reject that such a world is conceivable. RM is a strange view but it is a bit better than epiphenomenalism.

Also in the discussion Dave says that he takes the best argument against epiphenomenalism to be the argument from coincidence. Epiphenomenalism makes it a lucky accident that behavior always lines up with qualia. He acknowledges that this is not fatal, as it may be shown that we should accept these laws anyways, but it is a prima facie point against the epiphenomenalist that RM doesn’t share.

Same-Order Theories of Consciousness and the Failure of Phenomenal Intimacy

Perusing the new issue of Philosophical Studies that came out I came across Chad Kidd’s paper Phenomenal Consciousness with Infallible Self-Representation, which happens to be freely available on Phil Studies home page. The paper is interesting and aims to respond to the challenge raised by Josh Weisberg’s paper Same Old, Same Old: The Same-Order Theory of Consciousness and the Division of Phenomenal Labor. Defenders of the Same-Order view often claim to have an advantage over higher-order theories when it comes to the problematic empty higher-order thought cases. Since the state that is being represented and the state that is doing the representing are parts of the very same sate there is thought to be no issue with the self-representing part occurring without the first-order state. Josh argued that the very same problems arise for any view that divides the phenomenal labor in the way that the higher-order theory does.

One way to avoid the problem is to have the first-order state a part of the higher-order state. On this kind of view a conscious mental state consists of the first-order state together with the higher-order self-representation. This does not allow for empty higher-order states and Kidd acknowledges this. He argues that this strategy incures costs, though, as it must say that there are some causal relationships that are necessary and this seems implausible. The reason for this, Kidd argues, is that according to this view it is necessary that consciousness can’t misrepresent, and if that is to be naturalizable it must be explainable in terms of natural relationships like causation. Instead Kidd wants to present a new version of the same order theory that incorporates insights from philosophical work on indexicals. Kidd wants to acknowledge, with Weisberg, that theories that invoke representation as part of the explanatory story must accept the possibility of mis-representation. This is why the quotational view defended by Block has problems, it cannot account for this. Kidd argues that if we adopt a Kaplan-esque   semantics for the self-representational content we get a view that allows that there are possible cases of mis-representation but denies that in the actual world this is possible. In other words Kidd is arguing that it is only contingently the case that there can be no empty self-representational states in exactly the same way as that it is contingently necessary that every utterance of ‘I am here now’ must refer. Thus Kidd thinks that there is a same-order view of consciousness that does not have the empty HOT problem and also allows for the possibility of misrepresentation.

What Kidd seemingly fails to notice is that in principle one could have a higher-order view which employed the kind of semantics that he does. On this view one would have a separate HOT to the effect that one was in a red* state where ‘red*’ functions as an indexical like ‘here’ or ‘now’ does in ‘I am here now’. So whether one adopts a 2-dimensional view of the semantics of the mental states or not is independent of the question of whether one is a same or higher-order theorist. So even on the same-order view you have it being true that in some possible world there is an empty self-representation. The same problem then seems to arise. What is it like for the creature that has this empty state? Kidd suggests that if there is something that it is like then the theorist has given up on the explanatory power of the theory. Kidd says,

if it is possible to have an awareness of an experience with blue phenomenal qualities without actually having such an experience tokened in one’s mind, then it seems the production of the phenomenal blueness for the subject in such cases would be due to the higher-order mental state alone, and not a representation relation between two mental states.

Kidd is here assuming that the explanatory power of higher-order theories comes from their positing a relation between two states. If one gives up the relational structure of the theory then one gives up the explanatory power. This notion seems prevalent. I have heard Ned Block make similar remarks. I think that David Rosenthal is right that this idea really stems from thinking of higher-order views in quasi-perceptual terms. But at any rate, this i snot what the theory says. It is not the relationship between the states that explains one’s phenomenality. Rather it is that one is conscious of oneself as being in various states with mental qualities and that is just all there is to phenomenality. It is, if you will, the appearance of the relation that is doing the work.

It is here that the wine-tasting argument becomes important. We seem to have some kind of evidence that simply acquiring a new concept changes our phenomenal experience. What would explain that? One explanation is that the concept became available for deployment in higher-order thoughts. Another is that having the concept somehow changes the first-order states. Which is true seems like an empirical question. If we found that one’s first order taste states (whatever they turn out to be) are unchanged by learning the word ‘tanin’, for instance, that would be support for the higher-order theory. As of now this is an open empirical issue. And if this is right then the Kaplan-esque same-order view still has no advantages over the higher-order view.

The Higher-Order Approach to Consciousness: The Hot Ticket or In Hot Water?

A propos of the recent discussion of this issue, I am pleased to announce that my paper has been accepted to the Southern Society for Philosophy and Psychology meeting to be held in New Orleans! So, let it snow ’cause in March I’ll be doing philosophy in the Big Easy!

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Phenomenally HOT

The Spring semester is getting off to a start here in NYC. Yesterday I attended the first session of Ned Block and David Carmel’s seminar on Conceptual and Empirical Issues about Perception, Attention and Consciousness at NYU. This first session dealt with Block’s recent paper The Higher-Order Theory is Defunct.

One of the major points that Block wants to make is that there is a distinction to be made between what he calls modest and ambitious higher-order theories. Modest views aim only at explicating the notion of state consciousness. Thus the modest view can say, as Block does, that sensations that are not state conscious are none the less phenomenally conscious. The ambitious view not only tries to explain state consciousness but also aims to explain phenomenal consciousness. The problem that Block sees is for the ambitious view. Put simply the idea is that in a case of a higher-order thought without a target we have a conscious state that is not the target of a higher-order thought and so we have a counter-example to the higher-order theory. My response to this is to use the distinction between phenomenal consciousness and state consciousness to defuse the objection. For a state to be conscious is for me to be conscious of myself as being in that state. For a state to be phenomenally conscious is for there to be something that it is like for me to have the state. These two properties do not, prima facie, seem to have anything to do with each other. It is then an open question whether or not having the appropriate higher-order thought explains phenomenal consciousness. The ambitious higher-order theory need only claim that phenomenal consciousness is instantiated in the empty higher-order thought scenario. In fact, there is no reason that one might not claim that there is no state consciousness instantiated. Sure, it seems to one as though one has a conscious state, but one doesn’t. Another way to put the point; there is no state that has the property of being state conscious, though there is a state that has the property of being phenomenally conscious (the HOT itself). This is because phenomenal consciousness simply consists in having the appropriate HOT, whereas state consciousness involves being the target of the appropriate HOT. This defuses the objection since there is no non-existent phenomenology. My conscious pains matter phenomenologically because they are phenomenally conscious.

In the presentation Block seemed to  offer an objection to my response. He claimed that one who took this path would in effect be adopting the same-order view and so would be giving up a higher-order view. This seemed to be the case because he thought that the claim was that the HOT itself was somehow targeted by the HOT itself in the empty case, but that is not the claim that I am making. Phenomenal consciousness –what it is like to have an experience– just is having an appropriate HOT. You do not have to be conscious of yourself as having the HOT in order to be phenomenally conscious; that is to confuse state consciousness with phenomenal consciousness.

In conversation afterwards Jake Berger pressed me a bit on my view. His worry seemed to be that there was something odd about  calling the HOT phenomenally conscious. He appealed to a metaphor offered by David Rosenthal. When an umpire calls a runner out the umpire makes it the case that the runner is out and the umpire is not thereby out himself. So too the HOT makes a first-order state conscious but does not thereby become conscious itself. Of course, I absolutely agree, as long as we are talking about state consciousness. No one is claiming that the HOT is state conscious (or that the umpire is out). But this metaphor does not relate to phenomenal consciousness. When we consider which state is phenomenally conscious we ask the question “which state is there something that it is like to be in?” and the only answer to that question is “the HOT”. Of course WHAT it is like to be in that state is determined by the content of the state and so it will be like being in the first-order state but all of that is besides the point being made here.

There are other interesting things I would like to explore that came up but I have to go to the DMV : (